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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:08:00 -
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This is the true story of the fable raised by Merdaneth in his own thread of the same name. The Anarchist Tragedy
Prelude (the true story)
Once upon a time there was a group of political dissidents living in the oppressive political environment of the Amarr Empire. They had tried all legal means of protest available to them but many of their number had been arrested, tortured, executed and the movement had been driven underground and persecuted almost to extinction. In essence these were ordinary people who just chose to believe that that it was wrong to pay blind obedience to the culture of power-worship and institutional inequality. The Holders called them Anarchists - they wore the label with pride.
Knowing they could not hope to prevail against the shock-troops of the Amarrian power-elite they stole a Bestower-class industrial laden with agricultural goods, and pooling whatever meagre personal supplies they had each rescued from the wreckage of their previous existence, they made orbit and set course to the Frontier. They wanted a new life, a better one, where individual sovereignty was recognized, where individuals were valued and where freedom was the watchword not blind obedience to meaningless tradition.
On the trip outwards they realized quickly that many things would have to change for themselves as well. In the spartan environment of the cargo holds some elements of personal ownership became meaningless: when a member of their community became sick it was the responsibility of all to treat that sickness in case it might spread and threaten all - so all medicine was appropriated by the most qualified and used wisely. Similarly some skills were very useful to the community, teachers taught all without restraint, knowing that all skills would benefit the whole. No child was left untutored. Ex soldier's taught civilians weapons drills and field maintenance. Farmers taught academics farming and hydroponics techniques. Historians and Sociologists learned carpentry and taught plumbers the theory of enlightened self interest and individual sovereignty in return.
Everyone learned a bit of everything and when one man raised the question:
"Why am I learning to fire a gun or wire a junction box? I'm a Organist by trade and that's where my skills are, why waste my talents on generalist activity?"
The people laughed without rancour and kindly explained:
"Where we are going friend is no place for one-trick ponies and specialization is of value to insects alone my friend!"
And the man shrugged and not wanting to seem a fool resolved to learn his weapons drill and electrical theory as well as anyone else!
Paradise Found
After a long journey they arrived at a pristine world. It was well suited for human life without adaptations, rich in resources and harbouring no existing sentient life: a paradise and that's what they called it. They set down with the ship and quickly assembled shelters and way-stations around their vessel. In no time a ramshackle frontier village was their new home and in honour of their collective ambitions they called the place "Freedom". From the beautiful vistas and temperate climate, rich soil and verdant woodland it was obvious they'd chosen one of the best spots for settlement on the whole planet.
The Problem of the Commons
They soon built up farms and the good soil gave bountiful harvests. Their livestock adapted to the new planet well and multiplied, the hydroponics farms they maintained in the cargo hold and shelters of "Freedom" produced everything they could want and more and those who laboured on the production of food found it easy to trade their effort for the effort of those who built or maintained structures or electrical conduits from the reactors of the grounded starship.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:10:00 -
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Close by to "Freedom" they had set aside a parcel of grazing land and fruit orchards for the common use of all. Every herder could use this land but it was understood that doing so would be for the common good and the produce would be given freely to the community for feasts and communal celebrations, or for those who might be too ill to work for themselves for a week or month or season.
Eventually a problem arose however. Some questioned the use of common land for communal farming. Some asked whether it was right that they should have to go a kilometre further from the centre of town to graze their own herds and plant their own orchards and raise their own crops. Some angrily suggested that maybe the common land should be shared more equally and that rota systems be employed, that each herder should bring his or her animals from their own farmsteads to the common land each seven-day (and a 2 kilometre round trip) simply for the convenience and prestige of grazing closest to "Freedom".
Listening to this for almost half a hour an old woman finally lost her patience and stood up to speak:
"You idiots! The common land is just that, common land, it's for the community to remind us of the first place we settled on this planet. But Freedom is not in this village. Freedom is everywhere! This planet is a paradise, you can farm wherever you choose. Go tend your own farmsteads and listen to our entertainment broadcasts on the radios. One kilometre is nothing! Back in Amarr space we walked further than that to get to enforced morning, midday and evensong prayers! Foolish idiots, there is no call to reinvent the priority of territory in this virgin soil when there is more than enough for everyone and everyone's children's children's children!"
There were some sheepish expressions then. Those with the loudest voices earlier were now equally vocal in support of the old woman's suggestion. And for the next season the colony redoubled its efforts in colonial establishment and quickly a network of farms and homesteads spread out around the settlement of "Freedom" - each man or woman or family had plenty of space, they established roads between the farms and colony, they traded their excess produce for work and borrowed labour at need, and electricians ran cables from the ship generators to the closest farms while those more remote bartered for standalone power-cells or tinkered with their own solar or wind-powered generators. It became a matter of pride to establish guest homes at the farmsteads and attract visitors and friends to dine. So matters went.
In time they all knew the truth of the old woman's words. "Freedom" wasn't a place. It was a state of mind. It was knowing one's effort and labour would be rewarded by a roof over the head, fine food and warm lodgings and the friendship and acclaim of one's peers. The planet was "Freedom" - there were no laws anymore. Just common sense.
Attack of the Wolves
As the colony expanded and the outlying farmsteads and settlements extended further into the unknown territory a terrible thing happened. Large predatory creatures were seen driven from the distant southlands and attacking the outlying herds of the furthermost settlers. These were beings of great ferocity and many clawed arms and legs and prodigious teeth that could certainly present a threat to an unarmed settler but fortunately none were so vulnerable. They were named "wolves" and everyone agreed they were a collective challenge to the free settlements and that challenge was answered promptly.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:12:00 -
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The many months of weapons training on the voyage out paid off. The creatures were routed by the high tech laser weapons from the ships store and hunted mercilessly by volunteer patrols (and since their fur and claws and bones could be worked into fine winter clothing and decorative ornaments for the homesteads by artistically-inclined settlers) there was much rejoicing at the opportunity in some quarters. The young enjoyed the challenge, the old nodded sagely at the threats arising on Paradise.
But the Wolves learned to fear the settlers after the first season of raiding and the large scale threats were ended. But they were cunning creatures and kept returning in the dead of night - and stalking loners and the most isolated farms. Clearly this underlined the need for all settlers to go armed and ensure their weapons drill and training was kept current.
The more serious problem was that there were not enough laser rifles to go around each individual farmstead - so the colony asked its artisans to develop a simpler alternative worked from the scrap metal and resources of "Freedom". In the end the colonists decided to make a simple design that could be forged from scrap metal and local materials, it was a clip-loaded slug-thrower with a pistol grip and long barrel accurate to almost 30 paces in the hands of the average settler. The prototype blueprint was given to the "commons" and everyone was encouraged to take a hand at turning the barrel on the autolathes and assembling the moving parts of the clip-mechanism with common tools and great attention to detail.
These weapons were named "Wolf Guns" by the colonists and became a very popular project in the common workshops of "Freedom". By popular acceptance it became the custom for adult colonists to carry the weapons at most times in beautiful worked leather holsters at their belts. Those with artistic skill won great acclaim amongst the colonists trading their art for raw materials and the finest food as they worked designs and beautiful symbols into custom handgrips bone-decorated with the product of slain Wolves.
Of course there were accidents, some of the guns malfunctioned, some colonists were hurt in crossfire incidents. Some even questioned whether everyone should be carrying loaded firearms in public at all.
"Maybe guns should be locked away and only used by those with the formal training to use them" a querulous ex bureaucrat suggested at a public meeting.
"Nonsense," the old woman replied.
"These guns are our right and duty to create and use. Self-defence is something we must all cherish. Each child of freedom will build a gun when they come of age. Each free man and woman will wear a Wolf Gun to symbolise their personal sovereignty and duty to confront collective threats against our brothers and sisters on this world. There can be no tyranny on a world of people confident in their own defence. You cannot bully an armed free individual - only bargain, trade and convince. That's why we're here."
And the people nodded and saw the wisdom in this. And afterwards it was the custom that each child would be taught to build his or her own Wolf Gun at their coming of age - they would customise the grip and engrave the barrel with symbolism to their taste and the weapon would be reminder of their personal power and heavy responsibility for preservation of life against the unknown.
Paradise was more dangerous than the colonists had believed. But their response was the rise to the challenge and unite in the face of alien threat and promote self-reliance that also defended the community as a whole.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:15:00 -
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The Problem of the Village Elders
After many years the pattern of colonisation on Paradise had been set. The more adventurous and boldest of the settlers ranged farthest from Freedom, they established homesteads in the hinterlands, shelters in the wilds and they returned most rarely to the original landfall settlement close by the ship. While some of those who remained in Freedom came to see themselves as administrators, dignitaries, wise with age and wondering if they should be laying claim to the common land and passing the perceived advantages of possession to their children.
At the summer solstice feast a proposal was made that a council of "Elders" be established who would reside at a large residence in Freedom and would put aside much of their personal labour in favour of administrating and directing the collective activities of the colonists on their world.
Maybe there should be some "laws" established? Maybe a police-force could be empowered to protect the peace of Freedom? Maybe they could build a prison and jail wrongdoers for the good of all?
Then a child breached custom and spoke aloud to the gathering with the innocence of her years:
"What's a prison?"
Embarrassed silence met her words. Those old enough to remember Amarrian lockups and torture cells, beatings and brutality, corruption and power in the service of hierarchy and religious lies felt ashamed then and silently counted themselves blessed to have escaped that horrible past.
Those too young to know the words were curious, but only in the manner of youth questing for knowledge of terrible things to chill the blood and evoke childish shrieks of outrage for the amusement of all.
The motion to empower a council was dropped.
"We don't really need this." commented one prospective councillor. "We're all elders on Paradise." laughed another. "Prisons?" Snorted another, "What rot!"
The Mine Road
Years afterwards a discovery was made in the hills above Freedom by an eccentric colonist who had taken a liking to geology and the study of the planets deeper rock formations. Understand that most mineral deposits on Paradise were shallow and the colonials had discovered all the iron ore and common elements they required years before. But this find was different: a vastly rich vein of Palladium-46, a critical raw material in the manufacture of Amarrian laser crystals in the huge industrial complexes of Domain region. Not very useful to the colonists - but a valuable trade material and perhaps a means for Paradise to supply itself with off-world luxuries if handled correctly.
Debate raged though; with those of an age to remember the Amarr empire were wary of opening links for trade. They argued that the colonists and their children had almost everything they could need - they were self-sufficient - well defended, they even had the makings of a new interplanetary shuttle that some of the more technically-attuned young people were building in the shadow of the old Bestower at the landing point.
But others were doubtful now of the oft-repeated evils of the Amarr. Like the Wolves these things must have seemed terrible at the time but to an armed and confident society of sovereign individuals what harm could come of merely ****ering rare metals for trade items?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/06/2009 22:26:37
In the end the younger settlers won the argument and agreed amongst themselves to build a mine and establish a road to transport the raw materials to Freedom. They talked of the wonderful things that would be brought back to Paradise from the stars, of how they'd teach the Amarr how to change their own lives - how they'd teach the Amarrian poor (they didn't really understand the principle of slavery) how to construct their own Wolf Guns and take responsibility for their own security and choices.
And at the last a small crew test-flew the interplanetary shuttle "Anarres" from the launchpad at Freedom into orbit where they broadcasted a celebratory song of Paradise and launched a telecoms satellite into geostationary orbit to invite star-traders and wandering space captains to come to their world and exchange tools and minerals and wealth for wealth.
Murder in the Night!
After a month the message was answered and a starship descended from the skies over Freedom broadcasting the transponder codes of a Domain licensed trader. The ship was smaller than the Bestower that the first colonists had flown into exile and release, but it was modern, efficient, and landed without difficulty on the landing field by the town commons.
The Trader was a proud man. Dressed in riches of silk and ermine, he spoke with a sneer and treated the children of Freedom as virtual savages and dried to pass off meaningless baubles and poor quality merchandise as fair trade for the valuable caskets of Palladium-46. He raised his eyebrow at the Wolf Guns, mocked the furs and worked leather belts, but he smiled altogether more nastily at the young women of the settlement. Inviting some of them to his guest quarters that evening he proposed great impropriety with indecent gestures and such drunken leering so as to cause one young woman to strike him forcefully across the face. The Trader was outraged to be disrespected in such a fashion and raised his fist to chastise the wanton savage girl only to be stopped at the sight of a Wolf Gun primed and calmly levelled at his face as she backed out and left him alone.
Later that night the Trader left Freedom and raised his ship to the stars and even the most outward-looking and curious wanderers were forced to conclude that he had been a great disappointment.
But worse would meet the dawn. The girl who had struck the Trader was found dead in a common house, shot at close range in the back with a projected energy weapon, her body burned and ruined and her mother's cloak charred black with the heat.
The people were upset, angry, many wanted vengeance and to punish this murderer, but others counselled caution and reminded the youthful that they had warned against contact with the old empire. Something was lost though. Some innocence had fled. Bad times were coming back.
The Empire from Space
It was only a matter of weeks afterwards that the shuttlecraft sighted a dozen main drive blooms during an orbital flight to place more satellites. These were far larger vessels than the Trader's ship and they moved into orbit with efficient purpose, deploying many smaller shapes around their formation as they reversed engines to attain geostationary position over the town of Freedom below.
The shuttle-crew were as excited as they were wary and opened up an open communication beam to the largest ship welcoming the new guests to Paradise and requesting they return identification and intentions. They died seconds later in the mega-pulse beams of coherent light from the main batteries of an Armageddon class Battleship as the short history of the Paradise space-movement was ended in violence.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/06/2009 22:20:14
On the planet below the people gathered round their radio sets and listened in growing disbelief as the voices from space announced that they were now bound slaves of the Empire and their resources would be harvested and assessed by the servants of God and nothing but total unconditional surrender would be accepted.
Anger then, the people took out their Wolf Guns and swore to avenge the deaths in orbit, they knew this world, its forests, its valleys and seas. They had built their homes and tamed the wilderness and while open to trade freely they were in nowise prepared to give up their freedom to an Empire from Space.
No common voice met the invaders, but ten thousand shouts of refusal from a thousand homesteads and farms. From the population of Freedom and its commons to the farthest research holdings and wandering camps, the free population of Paradise rejected the ultimatum and affirmed only their intention to live free and defend those freedoms come what may.
The Anarchist Tragedy
The town of Freedom was incinerated from orbit in 60 seconds of furious bombardment. Over the next hour the orbiting fleet selected and destroyed over a hundred smaller settlements targeting EM frequencies and heat sources and sweeping deadly beams across the buildings and farmland, igniting common stores and communal halls, vaporizing warehouses and transports, transforming any unprotected human within a kilometre of the impact points into skeletally-clawed studies in agonised death. Sixty years settlement burned in sixty minutes.
Then the Empire from Space transmitted again. Speaking of God's mercy and the wisdom of the holy text they called on the survivors of Paradise to surrender again. They would be taken up into the ships and trained as field slaves and learn the mysteries of the divine on the estates of holders and superior Amarrian aristocrats.
The voices were fewer now. Many tens of thousands were dead. Others were wise enough to realize how the orbital murderers were targeting their bombardment. But others simply didn't care - again the challenge and refusal, the free people preferred to die free than submit to this strange fate unknown outside of weird storybook horrors.
Wolf Guns were fired at the sky as the beams descended again and again like summer lightening magnified a thousand-fold. Houses burned and the horizon was red with embers and killing glow and the dawn when it came was marred by smoke and carnage as far as the eye could see.
I'd like to say that the people fought back and won. (But they didn't)
I'd like to say they fought to the last and made the enemy pay a heavy price. (But they didn't)
What happened was what always happens.
The Invaders used their firepower to scatter and reduce organized resistance. The ground troops in power armour rooted out the remainder and assembled work parties of the demoralized survivors to put out the fires and build slave-pens and walls. Some carried on the fight of course, scattered gangs of young Wolf-Gunners who used their knowledge of the planet to evade capture as long as they could. Some invaders even died. The Wolf Guns could kill an unarmoured trooper as easily as a laser could. But quickly and surely the "rebellion" was quashed and the invaders felt confident enough to bring in offworld slaves to work the mines and extract Palladium-46 for the empire.
This then was the true anarchist tragedy on Paradise.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:22:00 -
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The Letter
Last year the Star Fraction was fighting in Providence region as part of the Terminus-Est campaign against the holders of Sev3rance alliance. Our war was in effect an insurgency against a stronger sitting power. They had jump-bridges and cyno-jammers, huge fleets of standing militia and all the advantages of terrain and preparation. We had our cloaks and cunning, our guerrilla methodology and the message of hope that won support and information from the local populations capsuleer or baseline. One evening following a great battle in KBP7-G our depleted squadron of Recon cruisers needed to flee system and seek safety away from the Providence main battle-group. We split ourselves into single ships and I jumped on to DNR-7M. Once immediate pursuit was discounted I took a closer look at what we had categorized as a Imperial mining outpost at DNR-7M/III.
The world was beautiful. Temperate, breathable, two main continents. EM readings showed habitation/industrial presence in northern latitude and curiosity winning over my caution I brought my Rapier class ship down several kilometres from the mines.
It was as expected. Several thousand 3rd generation+ slaves in pens. A garrison of a few hundred troops. Small bureaucracy in place. Landing pads, warehouses, prefab accommodations for free commercial traders. The place was locked down tight and the geosats slaved into the constellation communications net. I elected to wait out the night with systems down but on visual sweeps my watch officers discovered evidence of ruins and previous habitation deeper in the forestry. I authorized a covert perimeter patrol of fraction infiltrators.
Shortly before dawn we received the recall code from allied command net - the Providence fleet had disbursed and it was time to lift. Our stealth marines had returned and amongst the findings were solid evidence of high yield bombardment in the last twenty years, signs of a insurgency (apparently failed), widespread pre-imperial settlement (mostly ruined) and a couple of artefacts recovered from a woodland bunker. Two things that have had a profound impact on my thinking since:
The first, a letter on a heavy scrap of parchment
"My name is Alexander Wren. I am the last of my blood. I will not live long. Since the night the skies burned I have seen my friends die until only I remain. I hear the screams from those captured. I see the cages where they are taken. I kill my enemy when I can and run when I must. I made my gun when I was thirteen summers and I never saw a Wolf outside of story books. I carved monsters into the grip because I hoped I might have a chance to fight them. Now I have seen the Wolves and they look like men but they are not men. I have killed some but they have killed more of the Free People. Now they have killed me. My name is Alexander Wren, I was born Free, I lived Free, I die Free. My father was an anarchist. He was a good man and taught me well."
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 22:23:00 -
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The second, a Wolf Gun
This was a beautiful thing, handmade pistol-carbine, engraved images of fantastic beasts along the barrel with wondrous twists and swirls of arcane symbolism all round the bone-carved handgrip. I weighted it, sighted down the length. It felt very heavy, very real. This thing was made by a child taught freedom at his father's knee. It was a weapon and a symbol. It had survived and its message reached me across the years while its people hadn't. It was a Wolf Gun.
Redemption
I returned to DNR-7M/III (Paradise) several times over the coming months. As the war turned in Providence and Sev3rance were forced to the defensive, often under siege in their own systems, we had more freedom of our own to run those spacelanes and we used the opportunity to liberate many slave-colonies and internment camps from the borderland constellations. From DNR-7M/III we rescued almost 500 original settlers and direct descendents alongside several thousand 3rd generation work slaves. Many of these were mindlocked, or traumatised beyond treatment. Vitoc addiction, disease, malnutrition, exposure and exhaustion had culled the populations and killed much of the oral history of the settlement. But enough had survived with memories intact to trace the events and fate of the colony.
Some of those we liberated chose to relocate to the Republic. Others were hospitalized. Some of the younger survivors swore vengeance and joined the fledgling Tribal Liberation Force, others fell to organized crime and would fly with the Angels. And more than a few joined the crews of Star Fraction vessels and saw some kindred spirit in our ideals and philosophy.
But I have kept the Wolf Gun and the letter. I used a shipboard nanoforge to fabricate the ammunition it uses and I've test fired it and gained a measure of its balance.
One day I'll kill a man with it and perhaps one more spirit will rest in Paradise.
It's the least I can do.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.09 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kostantin Mort Too long; didn't read.
Too short attention span? Can't say I care for your opinion then. But do have a nice day anyways.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/06/2009 01:59:34
Originally by: Kostantin Mort The first "parable" was bad enough but you truly conquer the heights of tedium with this particular piece.
I thought you said it was too long for you to read? Now you think to offer "literary criticism"? What a strange man you have become Kostantine to believe that I might care what a Sansha drone thinks apt?
Quote: As for your retort, it is indeed funny how times change. I've become a champion of transhumanism and hence joined what I once hated, and you have done a similar transformation: you are nothing but a demagogue that clutches at straws, replaying the wars of old in order to relive past glory. You have become what you hated, a toothless forum warrior with nothing substantial to bring forward except for your droning, pointless, boring walls of text.
Such bitterness and rage from a creature supposedly free of the wasteful emotions of passion. It seems you haven't completely lost the narrow-minded faux-piety that led you to grovel at prayer with the other nationalists just yet.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aphoxakhan Sweet and salty beads of sweat roll down this thread in fear of the truth. Lighten up, Sansha Baby, the right way isn't the only way left but you are efficiently eliminating the alternatives.
I honestly think something has gone a little bit wrong with his mind-control implants. Ordinarily Sansha-drones are "freed" from the human corruptions of personal irritation and loathing the better to worship the perfect symmetry of their master's design. Perhaps its the melding of godslave nationalism and transhuman submission to hierarchy that triggers the reactions in this one. Who knows? I imagine we'll have to await the next stage of his journey into pirate cynic to find out.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/06/2009 16:03:12
Originally by: Kostantin Mort It is really telling that the only thing that you can bring against me is empty "ad hominems". Please, do continue with your infantile insults, they amuse me. I am more free and enlightened than you'll ever be, as well as much more succesful in my aims.
Why would I not attack "the man" when the man in question has decided to voluntarily submit himself to neutral re-programming to suit somebody else's grand design? You are the very antithesis of Freedom Kostantin. You have been conjured up by this true story of a real struggle for Freedom to perform like a puppet-on-demand to illustrate a flawed path to imaginary freedom through neural-alteration and chemical happy juice.
Why would I not attack "the man" who announced in one post he had not read the story then betrayed the fact he had in the second. Why insist I treat this "man" as a neutral voice with disappassionate reserve when in actuality I despise all that he stands for and all of the path he has chosen.
I view your choices with very human loathing Kostantin. You have voluntarily given up without a fight what the anarchists of Paradise chose to die for.
A more pathetic fate I couldn't imagine.
Originally by: Kostantin Mort I guess that Jade didn't avoid my retort because she knows deep down that she has accomplished nothing at all in the past years.
Hated by my enemies. Respected by my allies. Still in full control of my own mind and faculties.
Thats three achievements over you monsieur drone.
The fight continues. (But then you wouldn't know anything that would you? Since in the Kostantin Mort playbook when the going gets tough the tough resign and turn their coats.)
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Coal If this story is accurate in it's representation of how Star Fraction views anarchism, I'll have to rethink a few positions... I hadn't expected so much concern for the well-being of others.
The story is accurate. And more to the point, you shouldn't believe everything written about the Fraction by the Amarrian nationalists. They really aren't very good with the truth.
The Star Fraction movement is not an elitest cabal of super-powered technologically-enabled immortals careless of human life. We fight for the future of humanity and the chance for everyone to take a better future from the ashes of the decadent imperialist past.
We believe that the technologies utilized by the capsule-caste today can become agents of revolutionary change in their own right tomorrow. The burning scanner is now public domain, cloning has become commonplace. How long before the lies about capsule attunement are revealed as the falsehoods we know they are?
In the skies we see a thousand thousand stars and an infinite potential for the future prosperity of mankind. But the story of Paradise is a warning to us all.
Archbishop said it best in one of his recent sermons actually. He said he considered the Amarr desire to rule was an immutable law of human nature. If we take him at his word the truth is there will never be peace or freedom within reach of the Amarrian war machine since those beclawed and bitter old men need to dominate as surely as the free captains and their planetside kin need air to breath. Neither can exist without this critical raw material so it is no surprise that we have concluded that Amarr must die that all people be free.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kostantin Mort You truly know so little about me that it really perplexes me that you think you do.
I know everything about you that is worth knowing Kostantine. You are a failed nationalist. A failed pirate and a failed zombie by all accounts. Even with the benefit of personality adjustment and mood enhancers you can't seem to shake the urge to jealously stalk those who have defeated you in past incarnations.
Quote: As for your pitiful list of accomplishment, well done I guess. I have managed to achieve much the same, although you do not seem to be aware of them.
I'd hazard few are aware of your accomplishments Kostantin.
Quote: Even you acknowledge that you have fared little in the last few years, since otherwise you would have retorted to me on that point...
You still use the Amarrian nationalist mode of debate! How quaint. Not everything revolves around your silly little accusations Kostantin. If I ignore some of your points its because they are ridiculous not because they have merit you silly old man
Quote: And I'm glad that you view me with human loathing, because you are nothing but a piddly, disgusting, weak human. I am not emotionless, but at least I am not blind to the fact that the real threat to transhumanism is, and always will be, humans.
I'll wager you still have some of that Amarrian nationalist drive "to rule" somewhere in that mindset Kostantin. Puling Godslaves never fall too far from the tree of myth-worshipping hierarchy.
Quote: You are, in a word, pathetic. In the end, Star Fraction is not even about the dream, or anarchism, or transhumanism, or any of the lies that you feed your pathetic, mewling little dirt bag "free-captains". In the end, Star Fraction is about you, Miss Constantine and your constant need for acknowledgement and recognition. Why else, would you chase up people that call you irrelevant? Why else would you post your long, rambling posts on IGS? Why indeed.
Such anger and bitterness. I hadn't realized I'd hurt you so badly. Still, you did have it coming.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth It is most revealing that in this story several of the problems this new society struggled with were not solved. Rather, they were solved by convincing people that they weren't real problems.
Thats because they weren't real problems. And this was the true story you built your lies upon. I know it must hurt you to realize this Merdaneth - but real people solve the real problems - not the hypothetical nonsense you Amarrians produce to support the crumbling edifice of your ambition "to rule".
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Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Kostantin Mort I don't need to wave a flag and say "LOOK AT ME EVERYONE, LOOK AT ME, I'M IMPORTANT"
By the evidence of this thread it rather seems that you do...
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Posted - 2009.06.11 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kostantin Mort
Oh yes, how silly of me. One entire year with barely any posting on IGS and I do it today for fun and all of my work is undone. You have truly bested me, Miss Constantine.
One whole year with no posting and you splurge out with 24 hours worth of vitriolic nonsense against a thread you told us all was "too long" for you to read in the first place? You know I think I'll accept your surrender right now and save you further humiliation.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 01:46:00 -
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I think it speaks for the power of the tale told in this thread that its attracted near frenzied howls of primal outrage from Sansha trueslaves and bitter ex-comrades turned roving cynical killers.
And its fairly clear there is no love lost between Devilish Ledaux and myself and there is a personal feud here. I suspect the majority of the names he conjures above do not support his sentiments and are frankly embarrassed by his continued attempts to cause rifts between Stimulus and The Star Fraction.
As for the name and reputation of the Star Fraction we've had plenty of condemnation this evening from people who should know better. Suffice to say if I had such low opinion of the combat prowess of my blood enemies I'd not stay my hand from the declaration of war to put the final knife into their heart. Speaks volumes for the truth behind the unwise words that these craven dogs prefer to bark behind their fences than seek honest battle in the spacelanes.
Unlike Devilish I'll say no more than that. For the memory of the man he once was I'll turn away from his provocations and back to the topic of the thread.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.11 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kostantin Mort
And finally, you are completely correct on your analysis that I should show an entity that I consider completely infantile and insignificant as worthy of a war dec, simply because they called me out. Ah yes, war deccing them shall truly show them how much we think they are completely irrelevant! Genius! By the way, feel free to swing our way any time once you are done playing pretend war with the Militia. You know where we live
Much easier for you to just talk up a storm on the Summit and avoid doing absolutely anything in space eh Kostantin? Seems you haven't exactly moved on from the nationalist ideology after all. You are even doing the "we think they are so irrelevent we'll compulsively post on their threads" thing. Pathetic Amarrian waste of skin!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/06/2009 15:02:54
Originally by: Merdaneth
1. It seems wiser to address the topic at hand rather than hurl insults at others. A lot of people revile you.
If by "a lot" you are refering to yourself, a woefully incapable sashan drone and a bitter old pirate incapable of moving past his own severed associations then I will handle such nonsense as I choose to.
Quote: 2. Your fight for the acknowledgment of your relevancy detracts from progressing your anarchist agenda. I believe I am irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, it would be better if you started to believe this as well.
I am not in the habit of taking advise from enemies -particular not enemies with a penchant for lying, deceit and general evasion of all pertinent debate. You know about as much of the "anarchist agenda" as a slaver hound knows of orbital physics and atomic theory.
Quote: You solved the problems by applying shame, fear, hope, duty and symbolism as tools.
I didn't solve the problems at all. The colonists of Paradise solved the problems as they saw fit. You told a fable built on lies and propaganda - I told the truth of what really happened there.
Quote: Somehow, once you become an anarchists all life's problems magically disappear, either magic solves them or you are magically convinced that the hunger gnawing at you is "not a real problem".
No magic in the accounts of colonisation on Paradise. It was a perfect world settled by an adaptive and capable people. The outcome was how I'd generally expect such things to proceed.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kostantin Mort Don't worry about me posting on here anymore, it was enjoyable for a day, but all trolling must come to its due end and hopefully one day, I'll forget you even exist. Bye bye, human demagogue.
I'm sure when you conceived the notion of assaulting this thread with your superior transhuman intellect it seemed like a pretty good idea.
High altitude approach from hypersonic orbital insertion, your attack ship banking at high-g manouvers and powering through the atmosphere like a cybernetic aerial war-shark of doom!
How you must have felt then! Proud, invulnerable, coldly sneering at the technology of the IGS residents below you on the world mapped out in lines and thermal signatures on your targetting display as you mused a moment on the approapriate weapons systems and selected high yield airburst cluster munitions and nanotech bomblets to render the primary target unhabitable for generations to come.
Your heart would have been beating fast if you still had one, but the machine of quantum pumps and silicon-neutral heat exchange never wavered from optimal as you pressed into the dive and lit the blast zone with invisible sensors back-projected on the mindseye.
Two-seconds to weapon release. Your lips drawn back in a transhuman parody of a smile as your thoughts armed the destructive systems and all scopes remained clear of any conceivable threat.
You drift for just a moment as your senses savour the whirling blur of the deep verdant forestry and sullen grey hills whipping by the canopy just a hundred meters below the cold scramjet exhaust plumes of the Naqam bird of prey.
Now! All senses full of the climax of violent anticaption as you key the release sequence ...
Then it all goes wrong.
From nowhere the ship is hit with a shuddering, sickening, collision of heat and kinetic energy and is knocked from the sky end over end and tumbling to earth with a shocking violation of all the immortal invulnerability you held as an article of faith till micro-moments before.
Eject! Eject!
The canopy explodes outwards with your capsule ripped free of its cybernetic attunements and hurled away from the doomed craft parallel to the dizzying vista of dirtside terrain. Your thoughts are full of sickness and loss as you dive into the sanctuary of ship-time and obsessively replay the last second before the event seeking context for the inexplicable.
There.
-1.212 Heat bloom on the landscape. -0.813 Projectile (category missile/chemical) -0.413 Guidence unknown?? (reclassify visual?) -0.234 Backtrack path - overlay (launch site, one biological trace) -0.121 Classify hostile human female - adolescent (primitive launch tube/ray painter) -0.043 Zoom, remap, zoom, facial recognition failed - (she is smiling fiercely) -0.012 Indiginous, technology primitive, slowtime, (she salutes the sky with a fist)
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The ground rushes up and greets the escape capsule with a grinding crash, smashing the remaining autonomous systems and splitting the fragile shell to spill amniotic fluids across the vegetation of an unknown forest floor.
How long you are out is difficult to judge now. You aren't thinking straight any more. Shiptime is gone. Sensor augmentations non-functional. You are coughing and struggling to breath - air? Crawling like some kind of wounded creature in the painful grip of a gravity well you make perhaps a few tens of meters from the ruined pod before exhaustion claims you and vision mercifully dims as the raw visible radiation of this world burns your eyes and forces involuntary activation of tear glands.
Then she's there. The girl with the rocket-launcher. Looking down at you. She's young, alive, skin-weathered and tanned with exposure to this systems primary. She has a strange expression that takes a moment to register. (Disgust) ((how dare she?)). You try to speak but your throat is too dry. She brings a gun from a holster and points it down at your face. You close your eyes.
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Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Ral K'Daro While I must admit the trolling of these threads is always entertaining, sometimes I wonder if the end result of them is to help augment jade's already impressive Messiah complex.
The end result is the important account in the op remains at the top of the forum. I'm largely impervious to any kind of trolling and simply turn the energies of detractors to the useful service of promoting the message I want promoted. Kostantin, Devilish, Rejected Enlightenment eta al, might be idiots but they are useful idiots. Long may they retain their utility.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux You're not a very good liar.
Thats okay you weren't a very good Free Captain
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Posted - 2009.06.11 17:08:00 -
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You are a clown Devilish. You were seduced by the wilful psychosis of our enemies and have thrown yourself into the mess of random murder and violence for its own sake. I pity you really. If you think yourself better than me then prove it. Change the universe. Make me take notice in your accomplishments and vision and make me listen to your words rather than scorn them. Find something you believe in and convince me its right.
Until then you'll keep on feeling empty inside because you have replaced something with nothing and have only the loneliness of pointless conflict to look forward to hereafter while you circle like a flame-drawn moth to the passion you have lost.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2009.06.11 17:20:00 -
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I noticed you evaded the point about the hurt and loss you feel inside Devilish. Must be something you find difficult to deal with. But on the throwaway line of the trolling you must know that to "troll" a person you need to anger them and force an unwise response? You are incapable of angering me so how would you be able to "troll" me? If anything I think you are "trolling" yourself here since you've dug a rather embarrassing pit that you are trying to dig your way out of.
But by all means continue with a silly responses. I'll reply to the next when the thread needs a convenient bump.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth if even prominent ex-SF members make 'faily gross errors' when interpreting the SF anarchist philosophy, don't you think its about time you admit the SF philosophy is extremely vague at best and contradictory at worst?
There is a reason why these ex-SF members are ex-SF members and its usually because they have disagreed with the philosophy of the Star Fraction on some level. Typically they have taken part in the democratic selection of war-aims and objectives and disagreed with the outcome and decided to seek their own path outside the Fraction.
There is nothing vague or contradictory about the SF philosophy and only an Amarrian nationalist could believe or state it so.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian Cosmo, as ever, your comments are a tribute to your own character as well as one of the last remaining shimmers of hope for The Star Fraction. You are a tragic character stuck in a dying revolution by your own admirable sense of loyalty to the cause and fierce determination to pursue it to whatever end it may come to.
It does seem to be quite the evening for Stimulus officers to speak against the Star Fraction and condemn as "failed" a revolution they themselves abandoned some years ago. You made your choice Bacchanalian. You chose to depart the Fraction and seek your own name and noteriety in the Star Cluster. You swore to build your own fame and measure yourself against your own achievements.
Yet here we are years on from your departure and you are still seeking to criticise and condemn the cause and ideals of the Star Fraction. One might ask what is so wrong with Stimulus at the moment that you feel obliged to condemn an organization that you left a long time ago? Surely the very best form of criticism would be to have achieved great things in your own name and put us to your shadow rather than feeling obliged to bring us to the earth so your shadow might even be seen?
I understand you disagree with us on many respects. You believe we are wrong to practise an NRDS ideology. You believe we are wrong to engage the 24th Crusade. You believe we are wrong to befriend the Matari insurgents. Doubtless you believe we are wrong to fly tech1 Cruisers and wrong to engage in a war of attrition in the Bleaklands also. But none of this is news. These are old disagreements that took you from our number a long time ago.
Why only now come to speak of what you perceive to be a "dying revolution"? Why speak at this precise time? Why in this thread are the Amarrian Nationalists, Sanshan Zombies and Stimulus raiders united in condemnation of the Star Fraction?
I knew the tale in the op was a powerful one. But what threat does it present to your way of life Bacchanalian?
What do you gain from seeking continued argument with the Fraction?
Why are you so fearful for the status of Stimulus that you belittle the Fraction rather than lauding your own accomplishments and striving to become first amongst equals?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.11 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/06/2009 22:05:25
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
I fail to see how leaving means we cannot express our disagreements when they arise. You seek to apply our separation as a gag against us, which is folly and you know it. You should know better than to think that such a simple ploy would not be seen through.
What are you disagreeing with? Are you trying to tell us how the Star Fraction should be organized? How we should vote on our campaigns and focus now? What makes you think you have a stake in the movement any more? Why would we care what you think?
And you will refrain from telling me what "I seek". That is the tactic of the Amarrian nationalist and demeaning to you.
What I am asking here is why you left in the first place when intellectually it appears you have never really made the break. Earlier you spouted a mix of nonsense cod-philosophical rambling that a child could see through. In the Fraction you'd quite rightfully have been laughed at. What makes you believe you should be judged more kindly years after you quit the cause for random NBSI violence and pointless aggression against neutrals?
I'm asking quite honestly now. Are you so ashamed of your own accomplishments these last two years that the only way you can feel good about yourself is to attempt to criticise ours?
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Posted - 2009.06.12 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Originally by: Jade Constantine And its fairly clear there is no love lost between Devilish Ledaux and myself and there is a personal feud here. I suspect the majority of the names he conjures above do not support his sentiments and are frankly embarrassed by his continued attempts to cause rifts between Stimulus and The Star Fraction.
Never speak for me, ever.
What makes you think I was speaking for you? I had you categorized in the minority of puling idiots who Devilish Ledaux was speaking for but were too gutless to speak for themselves.
And don't deign to speak to me in that tone you mockery of a man. Its not like you have the courage to follow through on any threat.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.12 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian If I could sum up my personal feelings for Star Fraction since I chose to leave it, the above about sums it up to me.
Well though you decided not to answer the questions with anything other than second rate smacktalk it is nice to see some honesty at last.
I'll be a little less florid but for my part I'll sum up my feelings towards stimulus: a bitter group of under-achieving attention-seeking nobodies who have achieved nothing in the two years since you quit the revolution except backslide into regressive NBSI dogma and continually snipe from the sidelines against an organization you rather hoped would die without you but actually done rather well in your absence.
Its a chronic case of the wayward child feeling it can never measure up against the parent. Rather than going your own way and achieving your own fame you believe you are hindered by the greater name of the organization you left behind. I feel a little sad for you rather than any real anger. And I still believe you would be much happier if you simply left the past alone rather than compulsively picking at scabs which should have healed long ago.
Still these little dramas usually don't end until one or other organization is destroyed. One day you'll find the courage to try it.
Until then Bacchanalian.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2009.06.12 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux So what you're saying is that Star Fraction has degenerated to the point that even hopeless Drop addicts are allowed entry. I suspected as much, but thank you for confirmation.
At yet you are still too much a gutless coward to bring a wardec and end this matter in bloodshed and clashing of hulls you wish in your heart to see. How does it feel to know nothing but powerless terror and impotence in the face of those that consider you a pathetic joke? Stimulus? You couldn't stimulate a convict with a visit to a brothel you epic failure of a man.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.12 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/06/2009 02:14:45
Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Actually win a war without me leading your fleets and then maybe, just maybe, I'll show you a modi****of respect.
Jonny wake up. You were a half-rate fleet commander at best. We really didn't lose anything other than your ego when you quit the cause. Two years have passed but you don't seem to have gone anywhere. Must be disorientating. Still, Devilish claims to have access to the Stimulus war-panel. Click the button and show me your talents. Because telling just won't cut it.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2009.06.12 02:29:00 -
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So no wardec then Devilish? How like the Amarrians you have become.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.12 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor
I speak for Stimulus and Rote Kapelle. I push the big red button. It is mine. I told you Jade, I had neither the time nor inclination to wage war between The Star Fraction and us. Somehow, you have ignored that, and let these pilots bait you into a frenzy.
I ignored you because you have proved to be impotent. Other voices are pulling the strings in your alliance and since you are too weak to counsel a respectful tone in your underlings in these matters we have had to chide them in your place.
Quote: While they are pilots of Rote Kapelle, I am under no obligation to censor their opinions. They are freecaptains afterall.
And I am under no obligation to speak other than my true and forthright opinion of your lack of leadership, lack of respect for your betters, and lack of any backbone for backing up your alliance's smacktalk in space. You are reduced in stature since the time you were a Free Captain. Now you are an empty suit mouthing meaningless platitudes and I pity you.
War is close to inevitable at this point. You should probably resign and allow Devilish to take command of Rote Kapelle in name as well as actuality since its offensive to the sensibilities of genuine Free Captains to see the organ-grinder driven by the monkey.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/06/2009 03:50:29
I don't care about your "feelings" Devilish. Keep them to yourself. You want this war, time to man up and do something about it. Impotently posting on the forum like your impotent CEO isn't going to do anything other than portray you as the laughing stock you clearly are. Its time for the wardec and prove your smack or be revealed as exactly the kind of empty vessels that are currently losing horribly in the Great Wildlands. I'm laughing at your reputation. Walk away in shame or come and take the smile from my face. Your choice.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Yes, our current campaign's 80% efficiency is simply disgraceful.
K/D ratio doesn't always tell the story - anyone can bnc on other people's kills. But hey you sound a little bit defensive there. I guess things really aren't going too well after all?
Still I have to keep bringing you back to this. The pure amount of time you've spent huffing and puffing on this thread is impressive! If it ends up without a wardec you know we'll never let you forget it.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny Damordred Nem's already said no. Luckly though, he's not the only one with the button...
What Nemesor says is clearly immaterial since he's obviously not being listened too in any respect whatsoever. Still, hopefully you get bold enough to press it.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Nevertheless, I think I speak for all of us when I say that Nemesor is an imminently competent and efficient executive.
How imminent? Is it going to happen in this lifetime?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.12 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux Ah yes, if you can't debate them with facts (and you can't), attack their spelling and grammar. Good show. Truly, Star Fraction's golden age is far from over.
Wait you were interested in "debate"? You've done nothing but bring poor-quality offtopic smacktalk to this thread for the last three pages and now you want a "debate?"
Debate what? Your essentially gutless craven nature or your inability to form a cogent argument? Debate! You make me laugh.
You aren't worthy of debate only scorn. Get away you pointless waste-of-skin.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.12 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor You call me impotent. I say I am indifferent.
And thats the anarchist tragedy of Stimulus really Nemesor. Indifference is a disease that leads to alienation, isolation and the dangerous delusions of elitist fancy and eccentric irrelevance.
Devilish Ledaux may be a raving lunatic but at least he's a passionate raving lunatic. He cares about something regardless of how wrong he is on every level of his argument and ill-mannered ranting. In many ways he has served as a kind of reverse prophetic voice of contrary revelation on this thread, with almost everything he's said meaning the opposite.
By rounding on the use of cheap and effective tech1 ships he demonstrates how little he ever learned of the Star Fraction message of revolution - that new technology can be used by the underdog to replicate weapons of resistance to take back their freedom from the dominant tyrannies of the universe.
By condemning the NRDS policy as a flawed principle in favour of solipsist NBSI self-worship you isolate yourselves from the revolution you claim to continue. A revolution without public appeal is a revolution that will die out as flames without oxygen. Each neutral pilot you murder is another potential loss for the cause. You rage against 0.0 spaceholders while committing yourselves to wanton random violence and gate-camping tyranny as regressive as anything your enemies can conceive. You have become the monsters you fight.
By reviling the Star Fraction campaign against capsuleer militias in favour of meaningless jousts against nullsec warlords he prefers he loses sight of the struggle overwhelmed by the bloodshed of the moment. One delusion SF has never practised is the fiction of the "roadtrip" where one band of interstellar warlords will rattle their sabres in the faces of another for a few weeks then move on having accomplished nothing but ship kills and loses and no lasting change. Yet when called to account for his own achievements the K/D ratio is all - even when said ratio is tempered and tampered and adjusted weekly to avoid negative traits.
I will tell you now K/D ratio is meaningless. The revolutionary fight that true anarchist movements need to engage with is the memetic taint spreading from the core empires to the frontier and smashing your hulls against entrenched powers achieves nothing but staving aside the ennui of your foes while young minds are twisted by imperialism and turned into territorial drones behind your back in the engines of factional warfare.
You may find my words spoken here to be equally harsh Nemesor. But I rail against indifference as the doom of passion and defeat of revolutionary stimulus. You have settled into a banal and mundane routine without story and fame, without grandeur and dramatic excess. You have allowed the elitist pilots in your order to convince you with their mediocre rhetotic that elitism is the same as accomplishment and merely saying a thing makes it so. I have to tell you it does not.
Now though with the intervention of more moderate and reasonable voices its become apparent that Devilish doesn't speak for many at all. Jonny, Tatsue perhaps. Bacchanalian drummed into the cause as an unwilling participant to strengthen the rhetoric. But thats it. Fair enough then. His list of names was mere theatrical device disconnected entirely from reality. And that is a good thing.
I will allow myself to believe that Rote Kapelle has the capacity to change and evolve and for the memory of the comrades I have in that organization who still honour the shared history we have I'll hope for the best and dare to dream that these estranged anarchists can one day resdiscover the cause and bright revolutionary fervour.
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For now we'll return to discussion of the op and in the absence of any clear suggestion of incoming hostility from Rote Kapelle resolve to ignore Devilish and coterie henceforth as irrelevant to diplomatic implication.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
To look back to ancient earth history, one might say that what we do is simply different perspective on ideology that you profess (think our MalcolmX to you Martin Luther King). This comparison is not to place either of our ideology into those camp, but to reflect that similar goal can have different approach. You, of anyone, should be well aware of this.
If you were doing the public relations for Rote Kapelle I don't think this argument would have happened in the first wierda. But now it has and tempers have been vented and much truth has been spoken. As I said in my previous post I will allow myself to hope that Rote Kapelle can evolve into something I can take pride in seeing ex-comrades involved with again.
Regardless of other sentiments I wish you well on a personal level Wierda. Fly safe.
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Posted - 2009.06.13 14:39:00 -
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What's interesting to note in the condemnations of former revolutionaries like yourself Khanid Voltar (or rather Captain Kuna, if you believe yourself able to speak on his behalf) is the degree to which the ad hominem term is used so flexibility to pre-emptively rebuff criticism of the individuals actions while never applying to condemnation and florid assaults against the name Jade Constantine. It's almost as if in the minds that conceive these arguments Jade Constantine is no longer a person that can be attacked in the terms of the ad hominem argument.
Rather she is the argument, the metaphysical ground-zero, the target zone. On one level its curiously dehumanizing to be treated more like a philosophical ideal than a person but I imagine it bespeaks more than anything the frustration on the part of those grappling for a way to attack the figure of a woman who has remained consistent in ideology and focus for a very long time.
Typically one could assault any long-standing idealist leader with the charge of hypocrisy, or moral cowardice, or lassitude or backsliding or any one of a dozen human failings and hope to find purchase in the factual representation of such indicators. But here in this thread we have nothing of that. Merely accusations on the ad hominem level of "madness" "gnashing of teeth" "growling" and whatever febrile adjectives can be conjured without recourse to solid argument.
All ending of course in the accusation of ad hominem after a post full of ad hominem. Truly this is why I have very little respect for the term. I believe it is used most commonly by those incapable of engaging in honest debate desiring mainly to hurl in an invective grenade and escape into the forum night without return fire. "Ad hominem" like the charge"hypocrisy!" have been devalued in the coinage of debate on these forums.
Still, that point aside, lets address the reason why many ex-revolutionaries feel disappointed or as you say "on the ideological scrapheap". You allege it's because I am a "gibbering madwoman" "insane" "gnashing my teeth" so we'll take that as the argument.
I would counter that it's because they are unhappy with their failure to make a mark in the Fraction and in their return to mundane corporations and typical organizational hierarchies elsewhere they are often beset by frustration, sense of ennui and general unease at the status quo. Now you may dismiss this as an ad hominem attack of course - but in Kuna's case let's examine the reality of his departure from the Fraction:
In Star Fraction Kuna had a voice. He was a Free Captain. He had a forum for his opinions and beliefs. He was listened too. He was trusted to take part in fleets. We even encouraged him to lead them on occasion. He took part in strategy meetings - he had a vote on critical campaign discussions. He was part of an organization fighting ideological wars against regressive foes and his role and identity was important. He was valued as an individual. Sure sometimes he was a lone voice - sometimes votes went against him. Sometimes he was disagreed with. Sometimes he was frustrated and angered, sometimes he was argued against passionately.
But through it all he was seen as that sovereign individual Free Captain we speak of. And that's the ultimate draw of the Fraction for many. That's the GREAT IDEA you speak of that you consider the "insane CEO" has destroyed.
In any other organization in known space Kuna would have been fired and ejected as a troublemaker and contrary voice almost immediately. Or he would have been ordered to shut up and be silent and knuckle down, certainly wouldn't have been trusted with fleet command.
In your heart you know this to be true. So this was why Kuna loved the Star Fraction. But it was also why he came to hate the Star Fraction. Because the kicker is that while he had the voice and respect and individual sovereignty I speak of, so does everyone else.
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And the Fraction can be a very harsh environment for those wishing to promote change and reform and new ideas - not because its naturally conservative or respectful of any status quo, but simply because new ideas must be sold to the assembly of Free Captains and debated and defended. The Star Fraction cannot be dictated too - it can only be persuaded. And that was ultimately what Kuna failed to do.
We have many Free Captains who come from troubled backgrounds, who have seen the universe and grown unsettled with the status quo. We are a home to troublemakers and rogue personalities, to heretics and freedom fighters, to contrary libertarians and anti establishment bravos, anarchists, anarcho-capitalists, mad-scientists and eccentric innovators of every race and culture.
Do you really think it would be possible to persuade such a community of individuals to do anything without time and effort and good arguments?
It isn't of course. And even I (the mad matriarch, the insane CEO, the tyrant and dictator who rules by fiat and evil magnetism) need to present my plans to the Fraction, defend them in public debate, take questions, make changes, compromise, restate points and then ultimately put them to the floor for voting by the membership.
Is this inefficient and frustrating? Sometimes yes it is.
Do we make mistakes? Of course we do, nothing in life has any business being perfect.
Do we lose our tempers, snarl and sulk and gnash our teeth in rage? Of course speaking truthfully who doesn't? We are all human-beings, we all have individual ego and personal frustrations.
But the questions you (or Kuna rather) needs to consider are these:
Does any campaign decision get made in the Fraction that is not ultimately presented, debated, and voted on by the membership of the alliance?
Was Kuna driven to quit the Fraction by the lone enmity of an evil mad tyrant CEO clashing her teeth and persecuting him with vindictive rage?
Or was Kuna ultimately unable to convince the majority of the membership round to the validity of his arguments on their logic and appropriate utility to the interests of the Fraction itself?
Is Kuna's condemnation of Jade Constantine as an evil madwoman a truthful picture of the Fraction leadership or is it simply an expression of his frustration at being unable to convince the Free Captains and inability to persuade Jade Constantine to join his side in open and free debate?
Only you (or Kuna) can answer these points honestly for yourself.
But as for why so many ex-revolutionaries are bitter ideological outcasts on the "scrapheap" as you describe. I'd say the reason is not so very difficult to puzzle out. Going from the enlightened environment of individual sovereignty and voting rights, of the personal influence of the Free Captain and free association and innovation of the Fraction to almost any other entity in known space will be a shocking and almost degrading experience, that I can only imagine. One moment you are valued as an individual and listened too, debated with, persuaded and negotiated with. The next you are just a number in the great machine of somebody else's ambition.
Kuna went from Star Fraction to Triumvirate initially. One day he was a proud independent Free Captain with dreams and vision and hopes to persuade his peers. The next he was just a number in a large gang with no voice, no say, no political engagement, just another bandit in somebody else's bandit-army. Nobody asked Kuna what he thought. Nobody needed his vote. Nobody debated anything with him. It must have been a terrible experience for a man once believed in the revolution to be plunged to intellectual darkness and know the company of naught but killers and sullen stony-faced emotionally-dead authority-worshipers.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2009.06.13 14:45:00 -
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But to summarise and bring this element of the discussion to a conclusion:
I do find this notion of Jade Constantine the mad-tyrant to be indicative of certain modes of thought recurring in some of the ex-revolutionaries of the Star Fraction, that is true. But it really doesn't hold up to factual consideration of what generally occurred to trigger their absence.
In almost every case those making this accusation have played a part in Star Fraction internal decision-making, have made their arguments internally, have sought to change things to their preferences, have debated and persuaded and cajoled and harangued at turns. Certainly I have had my say internally in counterpoint - we all have. But it all comes down to the vote amongst the member base. And that's both the foundation of Star Fraction political continuity and my pride in the organization.
And its why we hear plenty of "Jade is a mad tyrant" "Jade is an insane dictator" as throwaway hominem attacks to muddy the waters. But we hear nothing of any substantive accusation of actual tyranny or madness.
Where are the tales of "Jade ignored the popular vote!" or "Jade executed the dissidents"" "Jade fired me for speaking my mind!" "Jade stole the corp wallet!" "Jade silenced me and instituted a CAOD ban!" "Jade warp scrambled my CNR and podded me when I left!"
Such anger and rage as is displayed in the words of Devilish Ledaux and Khanid Voltar, Jonny Damordred or Bacchanalian - such accusations of mad-insane-dictatordom. So many slurs and such invective but so few actual tales of wrongdoing and impropriety.
The reality Khanid Voltar is that I Jade Constantine am guilty in the eyes and heart of ex-revolutionaries of generally only one crime. (And can seem a terrible one I'll grant you at the personal level.)
That crime is not being persuaded by those individuals on issues of alliance direction in popular membership votes. I have always (rightly or wrongly) been perceived as having more influence than is "fair" in the Fraction by virtue of long membership and passionate oratory - but when matters come down to the vote I have just one vote like everyone else. If I am not persuaded by somebody I am not persuaded. It doesn't mean I hate them, just I'm not persuaded. In the anarchist community we have built there must be room for disagreement. Sometimes the disagreements are minor and association can remain. Sometimes they are more significant and individuals will seek their personal fortunes elsewhere.
In a hundred cases these partings are amicable and sovereign individuals continue to interact from afar with friendship and mutual respect. But (as with this thread) in every hundred there are a handful who are unhappy with their new circumstances, resentful of the manner of their leaving the Fraction - and sometimes wish to continue the arguments and discussions they lost in the popular vote of Free Captains many years after the tally was counted. Their discontent makes them vocal.
This is life. We are immortals after all. And Immortal troublemakers all, ex-anarchist revolutionaries are likely to be single most fractious and outspoken flammable firebrands in the Star Cluster. In really is no surprise that Star Fraction has more than its share of vocal detractors and absolutely no mystery why I have a continuing support-group of ex-members who consider me an "evil tyrant queen" to blame for whatever personal circumstances they are currently unsatisfied with.
After all, I did commit the cardinal sin of not agreeing with them. I am guilty. That is why their voices are raised in protest. I am to blame for that.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.14 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/06/2009 14:45:10
Ah dear Khanid Voltar, you came to the thread and asked for a response without ad hominem attacks and I gave you just that. A full and detailed response and analysis of the situation you'd detected. Now it appears that you didn't really want debate or discussion at all and just wanted to stick your own knife in quietly and escape without rebuttal. I guess that says it all really.
And for the record you are second man to type "TL:DR" in this thread whilst quite definitely reading the posts above. If you really didn't read them I suspect you wouldn't have felt the need to make a throwaway comment indicating your lack of interest. Still, thank you for the bump. If you ever feel the need to discuss the conclusions I've reached in relation to Kuna's situation (as described in the posts above) feel free to contact me by eve-mail or private chat and we can certainly address these points outside of public scrutiny.
Until then have a nice life, and I'll hope you find what you are looking for in Eve wherever you finally end up.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.15 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/06/2009 12:04:19 Well Khanid Voltar, while you formulate your rebuttal to the posts earlier lets deal with the inaccuracies in the current assertion shall we?
Skipping over the ad hominem attack (shocking that you would continue to use these after all the song and dance you made about the tactic earlier isn't it?)
(This is specific to the second exit of Kuna from SF by the way. Since I imagine we both know the first exit when he left for TRI was accompanied by a detailed leaving post explaining his reasons and respect for all of us and the alliance there.)
So this is about the Second Exit some months later -
Captain Kuna was not asked to leave Star Fraction for speaking his mind. He was asked to leave Star Fraction and drop roles because he had made up his mind to leave already (for the second time) and was using the alliance as a convenient "waiting-room" while applying to other corps and alliances and not aiding Star Fraction in any material way.
After seeing Kuna talking in Alliance chat of his resolution to depart as soon as he got a successful acceptance from Reikoku or Outbreak I opened a private conversation with him and suggested that if he was absolutely resolved to depart the alliance it would be polite to drop roles and actually leave rather than using us as temporary holding identity pending successful applications elsewhere.
The result of Kuna's applications to these illustrious external corporations are his own business. But by the same measure the Star Fraction's campaign decisions and objectives are ours. Not sure where Kuna ended up, but you Khanid Voltar were a 24th Crusader and our ideological foe by your own choice.
Star Fraction moved into a formal war of suppression against the State Protectorate some days later which we'd been planning for several weeks (including logistical moves, base relocation, planning and intel work) and regardless of Kuna's personal suspicions to the contrary this target selection had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with his second exit from the Star Fraction.
I find it somewhat incredible that you (or Kuna) can appear to believe that an organization of a hundred Free Captains could spend several weeks preparation and billions of ISK in intel and combat expense to make war on a Militia entity purely to persecute a single wanderlust-prone ex member who had decided that regressive imperialist dogma was more to his taste than idealistic radical free-space idealism.
While I do remember Kuna's angry pro-state ranting on our alliance public forums - I would reiterate that the reasons for him being asked to leave the alliance was purely that he had already decided to leave and had posted publicly and privately about this intention and was doing nothing in alliance chat but talk about his prospective career-choices while we were attempting to run combat ops and continue our own operations.
I would think that most people reading this will understand why he was asked to leave. He was certainly not "forced" into any Militia. That was purely his own choice and required him to fly to the appropriate office and click "apply".
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In conclusion I would ask you to ensure you speak a little more truthfully on these issues when you do get round to publishing your formal rebuttal to my earlier posts.
Ordinarily I don't like commenting on the circumstances of previous members departures - but I have at my disposal the posts, chatlogs, and physical records of what was said, when and why. I will not put this material into the public domain pre-emptively - but I will use this material to correct obvious lies and distortions of the truth on your part where appropriate.
Do consider just how much public exposure of these discussions you are prepared to withstand before making further false accusations against my actions. On review I am quite convinced that Kuna was treated fairly and with great patience on the part of SF alliance leadership and the leaving posts from the time bear this out.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.15 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/06/2009 18:01:58
Originally by: Centra Spike
Originally by: Heartstone Who was fired for speaking their mind?
If you can't remember, look through your director records.
Have to say you are going to have to do better than that Centra. I cannot recall ever firing a Jericho Fraction member in the whole of our history for "speaking their mind". Sorry but you are simply being untruthful here. I have fired Jericho Fraction members in the past - this is true. But I assure you that nobody has ever been kicked from this corporation for having outspoken views and no other fault.
The campaign in question was discussed and agreed by a majority of the alliance at a public meeting. It was discussed, critiqued and ultimately okayed by popular consent albeit with a vocal minority of members disagreeing - some of whom decided on making their protest clear in leaving the alliance. You are incorrect to allege that no majority supported this plan. I'm not going to comment on your "one member disssident" save that I know the case you are speaking of and I still believe matters could have been amicably resolved if people had drawn back from the emotions of the moment and spoken about the situation with the light of dawn the following day. This however was a reasonable outcome and didn't suit the designs of some unreasonable people with their own agendas at that time.
What you describe as a "shut down" was simply forum debate. Star Fraction has a rich and vigourous history of internal discussion and debate on our member forums and frankly one needs to a good sense of perspective and thick skin when things get heated.
Quote: I enjoyed my time with Star Fraction, enjoyed being a director and enjoyed flying with many of the pilots in this thread, including Jade. But to say that the ex-Star Fraction pilots are making baseless claims is untrue.
Sadly Centra you are now making baseless claims on this thread.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.15 18:26:00 -
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Okay Khanid Voltar, reading your latest post lets summarise your position. Kuna joined and left JF 3 times? I think you must admit that means Kuna was never a terribly reliable pilot or a very good fit. Ultimately as I've said to you earlier in this thread Kuna - what tends to happen to some leavers is that they get a bee in their bonnet about the way the alliance is handling campaign decisions, try to persuade people, fail to get a majority behind their position then grow frustrated. In Kuna's case this kept happening.
I honestly lost count of the number of late night conversations I had with Kuna with him trying to convince me to back his plans and ideas for the alliance and use my own oratorical skills to drive them through and champion his cause in debate. Sure I refused, I wasn't convinced. I didn't think Kuna was right and I wasn't prepared to argue on his behalf. But that didn't mean debate was stifled - far from it. I actively encouraged Kuna to place his points on the member forum and support his argument. I actively encouraged Kuna to speak his peace and make his pitch at open meetings and he did. That he was unable to convince a majority of free captains is not evidence of my "mad-tyranny" so much as his failure to make and argue his case. No other conclusion is possible.
You admit your own behaviour was that of a petulant child. Good. Yet you continue to make ad hominem attacks by the by. Without a jot of evidence to support your charges you accuse me of insanity and claim it's impossible to have a reasoned debate. I think this very public debate we are having now would indicate otherwise.
You claim you haven't read my original posts I addressed to you? Then you try to critique those posts? It doesn't work Khanid Voltar. That position has already failed in this thread for Kostantin Mort. Either you have read the posts or you haven't. Either you have read them in which case you haven't "skimmed" anything. Or you haven't and you don't get to critique the content.
You describe me as infuriated? Hardly. I find you a slightly pitiable sight its true and having nailed your colours to the mast of Devilish Ledeux the "great dissident free-captain" you might profitably spend two minutes on your neocom terminal and discover exactly what he's doing right now. I assure you it has nothing to do with furthering the interests of freespace.
You saw an opportunity to put the knife in? You have been misled by a liar and a fraud and have slipped on your own blood and stabbed yourself in the foot. What Devilish said was utter nonsense. Unsupported by anyone with a mind and decried and foresworn by those with honour in his own late alliance.
The fact he has now quit that cause like so many others before and is currently crawling on his knees begging the approval of the cluster's most regressive pigdog imperialists even as we speak - well, what does that say of your good assessment of character I wonder? Devilish is a puling half-man waste-of-skin unworthy of breath. I spit on him.
If you wish single combat I accept. Terms are battleships of choice, no fitting restrictions. We'll can-flag in Kamela, join the same fleet, then fight at a safe spot. Last one to explode or remain on the field is the victor.
Contact me by neocom to signal the days and times you are available.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.15 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/06/2009 20:13:12
Originally by: Khanid Voltar LOL. I thought you might accept if the gauntlet was laid down in public, pity your actions did not speak for your brovado last year when I gave you the chance to silence me. Yet you declined a year ago and think I would jump at the chance now. You think way way too much of yourself my dear lassie.
You offered a duel with frigates. I told you to come back when you could fly a Battleship. Seems you haven't learned yet.
Quote: Is it me or has noone besides jericho posted here arguing in your favor?
Since you've been posting on matters of internal Jericho Fraction member relations its hardly surprising is it? Bitter ex-members with axes to grind have been tempted out from under their stones like the human slugs they are. Still they weren't good enough for the Fraction back then and they still aren't good enough for the Fraction now. Some things never change.
For our part the revolution goes on. Our wars are fresh and vital and the cause is just and passionate.
Perhaps that memory haunts you as you sit alone in your monastic cell blaming others for your misadventures and isolation?
I'll remember you slightly as I continue taking the shot at the divine and laughing in the face of tyranny. Its more than you deserve.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.15 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Voltar Funny how all the best pilots end up as 'not good enough'. How many of these pilots still sit in your killboard top 20? More than half?
Surprise surprise. We're not an alliance where the killboard is the god. We have lots of absolutely terrible ex-pilots who are high on the killboard but didn't understand the alliance, didn't partake in the campaigns and didn't understand the political ideals for which we fight. By the same count we have truly excellent pilots who are not highly placed on the kill rankings - but are imaginative, innovative, creative thinkers with the staying power to remain committed to a cause rather than getting bored like hyperactive mayflies the moment the obvious targets dry up.
We aren't a regressive NBSI adrenalyn junky corp that needs kills to stave off our ennui. Any pilots that feel that drive end up leaving and joining the ranks of psychotic nobody outfits that will go unremarked into the long night of eve.
Originally by: Khanid Voltar
Originally by: Jade Constantine Our wars are fresh and vital
Just caught that... dont you listen to a WORD anyone says?
I don't listen to a WORD that dogs say. Their opinions mean nothing. If they had the courage of their convictions they'd doubtless do something about it - but like you are too cowardly to back up their animosity in space. Seriously let me make this plain. I don't care what failed revolutionaries think. Not even a little bit.
I have enough committed and capable comrades-at-arms to actually care about. People who have my back when the fighting is hardest and are prepared to sacrifice and strive for the cause.
Why would I give a moment's thought to failures, turncoats and burnouts?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.15 22:59:00 -
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Well since you have no answer. No purpose. No guts to fight nor further arguments to make I guess thats it for you. Kuna is mindwiped, you're pointless, good night
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.16 15:40:00 -
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Well having disposed of the last elements of the off-topic derail perhaps its time to turn back to the subject of the thread? It certainly seems that the Amarrian side of the debate has gone very quiet of late - perhaps they have admitted that their rhetorical talents have failed when confronted by the truth of the matters on the world of Paradise?
In any event it would be good to return to matters of philosophical and ideological - and I trust that even through the last four pages of rigourous anarchist schismogenesis with side-helpings of post-idealist fanatical mewling from some quarters have been entertaining and enlightening in its own right, time has come to return to topic.
So. Any Questions?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Merdaneth
I believe that seeing how anarchist pod pilots handle their disagreements has proven more informative about the anarchist nature and method than your story (or mine) could ever be ms. Constantine.
Well you've seen the difference between freespace radical anarchists and blood-drinking NBSI anarchists anyways (with a few raving loons to provide amusement value to the thread on the side). But however fervant our opposition to each others choices the one thing we can all agree on is that you are a dog and Amarr deserves to burn.
My account of the settlement and destruction of the colony on Paradise remains and it seems you have no answer. I take it you are convinced now that your earlier fable is entirely void then?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.23 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop Indeed it is a tragedy. Still it is hardly a "new" event to witness. Old anarchists realize the truth of the fraction lifestyle and "evolve" to true "freedom" from the cult of ego.
Ah so the bashing bishop growing upset with the relative obscurity of his own latest screed (unpraised by any except puling sychophantic dogs) comes finally to my thread to preach his regressive dogma to those few craven worms shrieking their angst here.
But it is somewhat true. The Anarchist cause like most radical political movements has had its share of failures, dropouts, counter revolutionaries and ideological bankrupts who have chosen to abandon their principles and crawl on their bellies to gain acceptance in regressive organizations they once reviled. The human condition is not perfect, and even revolutionaries can become puling dogs unworthy of life given the right stimulus of mediocrity and banal adherence to the concerns of the common herd.
And it is right for you the arch-regressive and representative of holy hypocrisy in all its colours to preach against individualism and individual ego for such things are anathema to your belief system and hierarchy of pleasing lies. We free individuals do not need your god. We laugh at you when you kneel and we know your true motivation is not to sacrifice but to seek that most fleeting of ambitions; rulership and desire to command.
Quote: ... but wait awhile and they will come to realize the truth just as all their predecessors have. Maybe they will even join those they criticize today. After all its happened before.
Original thought replaces staid and stale thought it is true. The young replace the old. The imaginative replace the thoughtless. The passionate take honours from those bound in ennui and the cycle does continue as it always will. Yet there is no "truth" in failure. There is only failure. Those ex-anarchists who have fallen from individual liberty and exist now as nothing more than callow half-men bound in hierarchy and flattering tyrants for their supper? Do I regret their fall? Yes of course I do for as a living human being with the empathy to see the humiliation in the eyes of once-comrades I could do no less.
Yet do I take lesson or example from anarchists turned tyrants? From individuals turned collectivists? From Freespacers turned roadblockers? From heroes turned villains and from revolutionaries turned oppressors?
No no a thousand times no. I despise these choices and I laugh in the faces of those who have fallen from the cause of freedom to scratch a bare living from the stink and detritus of imperial delusion and all that excremental godslave self-delusion.
None of these fallen anarchists are worthy of my respect or my kind words. There is no kindness to address a drug-addled shell of a previous comrade in glowing terms while seeing the dead-emotion in an eye now incapable of seeing the wonder of the boundless frontier and the hope for humanity in the heavens.
Quote: Anarchist tragedy? Yes but perhaps "Fractionist Reality" is more appropriate.
The Anarchist tragedy of the thread is the story I have told of the fate of Paradise. Those without the wit to read those words and learn why it is impossible for freedom to flourish without cutting away the cancer of the old empires are due only pity.
The Fractionist Reality? Well, we have seen what happens to men and women who have given up their dreams in this very thread. Wasted half-creatures incapable of attaining the wonders they once aspired to and reduced to crawling on their knees like slaver-hounds snuffling for hand-outs from the 0.0 tyrants.
I tell you something. Those proud anarchists who once carried the names we have seen in this thread would not allow me to speak of them so without recourse. But those men and women are dead. I mourn their memory even as I despise the shabbling half-creatures that wear a mockery of their names today.
That is tragedy.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.24 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop To be called a "worm" in the opening sentence of a Queen Anarchist reply indicates I have indeed struck a nerve.
No, it merely indicates that you are a worm.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.24 14:37:00 -
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Actually it's a rather wonderful life. The cause of freedom is entirely a personal journey. People come to the anarchist cause for many reasons - some have realized a capacity for evil in themselves and seek a positive direction for their vast powers and capability. Others have simply realized that as immortals we need different systems of interaction. We have the greenest recruits alongside the veterans of many wars and conflicts and in the Fraction all have an equal voice and right to speak their desires and dreams and make policy for the movement.
It is very uplifting seeing those who were once oppressed coming to understand their power and freedom and choosing to utilize their influence as they impact the wider struggles of the Star Cluster. We've taught thousands to resist and guard their own freedoms - we've taught many more to look to our example and wonder at what the Star Fraction can mean to them and their people.
All this talk of cult of ego and brainwashing is just projection from the bashing bishop. He is incapable of understanding a universe beyond the dominance/submission paradigms of the theological state and grasps for terminology he believes makes sense while representing nothing but nonsense phraseology and idiot mewling to those who have experienced freedom in their own right. Any Fractionist knows this.
The mistake this perverse prelate makes as ever is to believe that the key to attacking the anarchist movement is to attack the name Jade Constantine. And it's a mistake he has made continuously for past years and previous incarnations untold mind. I wonder if he believes if he tries long enough one day something will finally work? Its my pleasure as ever to disappoint him. I am a relentless foe to the wicked and the purile alike.
But since he is incapable of understanding the nature of anarchy he believes there is a "trick" a "mind-control cult" a "confidence scam" behind these free individuals choosing to align themselves against his own power and desire for hierarchy in the name of gods divine grandeur (or some such rot).
So it is easy for him to portray the sad ranks of failed anarchists shambling through this thread as some kind of criticism for an individual leader figure - thinking to make inroads and traction against a movement as baffling to him as the are orbits of moons to a spellbound gape-jawed slaver hound gazing up at the night sky no doubt!
To imagine this epic mock of a would-be religious conqueror as a "young anarchist" is the epitome of farce really.
But referring to the failures and wash-outs and traitors to the cause of freedom here as "prominent anarchists" is simply deluded.
Only an idiot could see the likes of Devilish Ledaux, Bacchanalian, Centra Spike and Ituralde of Pandemic Legion (and Goonswarm) as any kind of anarchist whatsoever. In joining such an organization of top-down restrictive hierarchy bound in memetic tyrant from its lowliest vapours to its murderous tendrils is proof-positive of the very opposite in heart and soul. One cannot be an anarchist in Goonswarm Archbishop - just as it appears one cannot have a mind in PIE.
Yet I do feel a little sorry for you here. You've seen the public meltdown of several weak personalities and have mistaken the ennui and pitiful froth as some kind of public (revolution?) against the revolution and taken hope from their withered imprecations and weak rhetoric. It's quite pitiful in a way as you desperately thrash about for arguments you are incapable of making.
Still, the attribute of mercy compels me to reveal that these voices are not dissidents or rebels or revered opposition or any other kind of honourable counterpoint to the radical freespace movement whatsoever.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.24 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/06/2009 14:45:54
No Archbishop, they are just wasted shells of men, mind-wrecked and tired, incapable of pursuing their dreams and reduced to shambling thoughtless in the path of tyrants, counting all their hopes of making individual name lost and turning inward to bitter understanding that their only glory will be reflected at best, and those reflections increasingly dim as they are assimilated by the swarm. As I've said, I might pity these creatures but they will have no kind words from me for I am not in the habit of lying.
We are immortals and we can strive for eternity if we have the will and energy to keep striving. A failed anarchist is nothing special. No more important than the hundreds of failed nationalists and Amarrian loyalists turned pirates or thieves or mindless road blockers in Providence. Perhaps these skeletal remnants of the men they once were are unique in their self-mockery? Perhaps. But I prefer to remember them as they were in life - not as they are in the voluntarily living death of servitude to 0.0 tyrants and vacuous memetic impulse.
So I Jade Constantine, the individual, the egotist, the revolutionary, the murderer, the saboteur, the firebrand speaker and nemesis to all your stand for remains. Doubtless as Lucifer to submissive divine-mewling. And I remain unbowed and unrepentant, laughing at your words, mocking your capability in space. Your sermons are weak broth to the intellectually-destitute! Your manipulations are cringe-worthy as you attempt to flatter fallen dogs in the hope that they will bark at the appropriate time in your own chorus!
You may well consider your cause to be so weak as to admit any crawling mudcrab into the ranks of your friends Archbishop. I however have my eyes set upon the stars above and one must strive to earn my respect. No weaklings and halfwits have a place at the table of free-captains, still perhaps a kindness that they have a place in PIE when the goons have no more use for them.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.24 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
As for discussions about the fractionist leader I will simply let your reputation speak for itself.
It does of course. I have a reputation for steadfast commitment to a cause I support. I doubtless have a reputation as stern critic of broken idealism and failed dreams. By the same measure you have a reputation for meandering screeds of babbling sub-schoolroom sermonizing that impress only the fragile-minded. (that and avoiding all conflict from your cloaked bestower mind).
But we could fill pages explaining what our reputations are. Your words will always be lies. Your supporters will always be dogs. That is simply the way it is.
Quote: It is a protection measure to call others weak while ignoring the reality everyone is shouting at you.
The notion of "everyone" is an idiotic one. By calling on this chorus of chattering nithlings you simply weaken your grasp on the argument. I could as easily say that "everyone" despises your weakness and cowardly yellow-streak that has seen you hide from every war PIE has ever been involved in. But its meaningless - you cannot prove external opinion, I would not wish too. The opinions of the peanut gallery are generally worthless. Unlike you I am completely honest in stating that I only care about the opinions of a relatively small group of people who have earned my respect from their actions, wisdom and courage in times before. And none of those people have ever supported your condemations and sermons.
Quote: Until you do this you are doomed to stand behind your walls of text and denials of reality. Doomed to more years of your former anarchist friends turning on you as they have here.
I have no former anarchist friends. That is what you fail to understand. A failure is just that - a failure. I have no time for the weak of will and lacking in backbone. I spare no thought to the destitute of spirit and false in ideals. That perhaps is what drives these creatures to their empty-eyed condemnations and pitiful public mewling. I make no apology. The revolution is one of two loves in my life - there is no room in my heart for those who have betrayed the cause of freedom.
Quote: Ask yourself one question... "If something is repeated by many people over many years is it possible it is true?". My answer is the obvious "yes".
Obvious but incorrect. The weak will always slander the strong. The evil will always grow jealous of the just. Those with ideals will be hated by those without. This is the dark side of human nature.
Quote: After all there was a time when Baach and Devilish defended the fraction here as well as Heartstone has today. It does make you wonder.
Devilish has always been a weak man. He sought a harbour having failed as a pirate and we gave him a place of comfort. But he has never been a good speaker or even a particularly effective revolutionary. Bacchanalian was once a great pilot in the Fraction granted, but he grew too hungry for the thrill of combat and it drowned out the reason for fighting. In the end he became a creature of sensation alone. Murder was all that mattered, the revolution was nothing. This is a danger to the immortals of our cause. Some lose themselves in the near divinity of our powers. Bacchanalian is one of those. Anarchists are betrayed and destroyed by the lust for kill-rankings and meaningless slaughter. The Star Fraction is and always has been much more than that and the true heroes of the Fraction cause understand the secrets that men like Devilish and Bacchanalian lost or never knew.
But worship their power as you wish Archbishop. You need allies and faded captains fallen to kneeling before the 0.0 hierarchies suit you well as brazen idols to the godslave ethos. For my part I spit in their faces. If they were half the men they once aspired to be they would vow to make me regret this gesture. But they are less than half, close to nothing and nothing is what they will do.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.25 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Quote: Even if you give a group of anarchists a pristine world and don't interfere with them at all, they still end up fighting each other. That is the anarchist tragedy I tried to convey in my story.
I guess despite all my observations and revelations this is the simplest truth of all... that even a member of the fractionist ranks acknowledges it has some truth is all that really needs to be said.
You are quoting Merdenath there. You are not quoting a Free Captain and its deceitful for you to claim you are. Merdenath's story was a fiction and clusmy caricature of the way he wishes to describe anarchist principles. It is not what happened. The truth is in the op of this thread. That is what you need to address if your visit here is to have even the pretense of open debate.
Quote: The anarchist on the other hand even in a pristine world of anarchy will never be satisfied.
That is merdaneth's fiction. That is not the tale of this thread.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.25 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 25/06/2009 02:08:19
Originally by: Archbishop Given the tone of your speech about these former members and the fact this isn't the first time your former "friends" have spoken like this about you it isn't a stretch to assume you treat even current corpmates in such a manner if they disagree with you.
It is quite a "stretch" given your complete failure to read the words of current comrades and fellow revolutaries in this thread. I believe we have been united in our condemnation of the lunacy expressed by some gnashing non-entities you laud as prophets. And I'll thank you to avoid putting quotes round the word "friends" as if that was my term. It is not. I have told you I consider none of these people you refer to as friends in any way shape or form.
I'm not sure why you are belabouring this point though. I have been more than blunt. Perhaps it is the constant Amarrian obsessive compulsion at having the last word winning over your earlier promise to quit the thread and move onto other matters? Who knows. But be assured I will not shift my stated position one atom on the matter of these regressive dogs and fallen worshippers of the great god NBSI and all the mewling stink that entails.
I will move mountains and shatter fleets to defend and protect my comrades-at-arms and fellow revolutionaries. They know this. I know they will sacrifice as much in return. My love and passion is given freely to those idealists with the strength to fight for their ideals and embrace freedom's burning eyes and siren song and strike at tyranny in all things.
I will give nothing to nithing dogs save a swift kick in their posterior when the volume of their yapping proves a distraction to the debate at hand.
If you wish to remain in this thread and discussion you are welcome to of course - but unless you address the subject of the op I'll restrict myself merely to mocking your intellectual capabilities hereafter, since without the smallest attempt to address the points raised here you are simply playing the stereotypical blind prelate role in a beggers game of mock the monk.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.25 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 25/06/2009 13:17:11
Originally by: Merdaneth I seem to remember you and the Cosmopolite saying that everyone was always free to return to the SF cause? Has that changed? Or is this merely another example of SF hypocrisy. Or perhaps, SF has a policy of taking in failures, people lacking backbones, those destitute in spirit and of course traitors?
Your memory is as flawed as your debating skill. Still, much easier to simply make things up as they are needed than address the facts right? If anybody thinks that the Star Fraction would ever be an open door to false-friends, moral-cowards, snivelling nere-do-wells and general lowgrade tyrant-trash then they have another thing coming.
There are those pilots who leave the revolutionary movement who would be welcomed back, but that is a very long way from offering a blanket reinvite for every failed trialist, vacilating imperialist, lickspittal authority-worshiper and brain-fried burnout who has quit our cause over six years of consistant struggle against the vilest foes imaginable.
People disappoint us sometimes. That is all that needs to be said. Other people are great surprises and constant friends and allies and true companions. It is right to marginalize the former and praise the latter. This is life, this is our free right and pleasure to differentiate between failure and success.
Originally by: Jade Constantine The weak will always slander the strong.
Originally by: Merdaneth You either have a peculiar sense of humor, or are completely blind to miss the irony in this statement of yours.
I hope you are not claiming to be "strong" in some fashion? Or that the cringing empire you represent is anything other than a weak crutch for the spiritually-wounded to carry their body weight while hiding from the reality of personal responsibility in an age of fantastic opportunity and liberating technological change?
Seriously. The Amarrian empire is a refuge for the weakest of the weak. Those men and women who lack the strength to take responsibility for their own actions and hide instead behind the laughable illusionary construct of a "wise patriach" who sees all and rewards you in your slavery.
You are a dog in a nation of dogs Merdaneth. You are not fit to even speak the word "strength" let alone debate the words of individuals commited to the cause of personal freedom through direct action and radical political change.
Don't make me laugh!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 27/06/2009 13:03:23
Originally by: Merdaneth As my post above shows, I do not understand Ms. Constantine's statement of slander being a sign of weakness, while she employs slander a lot herself. Is she admitting weakness?
You do not understand the statement because you are incapable of seeing yourself as the dog that others view you. You also falsely accuse me of slander since you are incapable of admitting the truth of your existence. When I say you are a dog Merdaneth I mean it. You are a dog. Hence the statement is not a slander it is simply a fact. Just as it is another fact that you do come from a nation of dogs. You are the son of a dog in a corporation of dogs - you aspire for nothing beyond canine dreams of a mystic pat on the head from your imaginary master. This is also truth.
If you want to challenge this statement perhaps you should prove to us that you are not a dog? If you feel strongly that you are more than a lapdog for a make-believe spirit in the sky then it shouldn't be difficult for you to prove your individuality. I'll await with amusement your attempt.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy *Nathaniel Derooy grins*
You do a lot of grinning. Not much fighting. But lots of grinning. Still, takes all sorts - but thanks for the bump while we are waiting for Merdaneth to prove he's not a dog.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.29 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 29/06/2009 17:11:08
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy A very ignorant way of approach, if I may say so. Please do revisit your next military academy for a refreshment in modern warfare and its principles.
So you are saying that you are too much a coward to post with the identity that you use for combat then? That in and of itself should indicate the quality of personality behind your front identity really. Hence I feel quite justified in naming you a puling worm without the backbone to stand up for your beliefs and opinions in open space.
Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy And for the record, I am not stalking, I just simply oppose a selfdeclared leader of THE anarchist movement.
Not sure what the worm means with this assessment. Not sure if its even worth addressing. But hey-ho, gives an opportunity to clarify for the non-worm audience out there.
I've never claimed to be the leader of anything - let alone the anarchist movements in new eden. I am the CEO of Jericho Fraction corporation and the Executor of Star Fraction alliance, which means I maintain an administrative role in the technicalities of these political entities - but ultimately I am a Free Captain amongst Free Captains. My voice has a vote. My word is made good with actions in space.
The worm must not confuse my condemnation of worms and regressive NBSI pigdogs with any kind of "official" sanction. I say what I believe to be right and I will keep on saying it as a Free individual in a free association of armed and politically-radical free captains.
If my comrades wish to stand with my words they may. If they wish to have their own say they are welcome to do that to. Where official policy of the Star Fraction is involved it'll be accompanied by formal declarations and action in space and you will know that when you see the standings-adjustments and wardecs rolling in.
If you see me as a "leader" or "tyrant" it simple projects the worm's-eye view you have restricted yourself to viewing the universe behind.
Take offense with my words and you are within your right to challenge them in your own name, in space, with rhetoric or violence at your choice. You might even win some respect by doing so.
But keep sniping toothlessly behind the worm-identity you have chosen to employ to cloak your master from rebuke or action in space and you will win nothing beyond chiding condemnation and continued humiliation on this and other threads.
I enjoy mocking cowards who are too weak to stand up in their own name. For an immortal to be so tremulous as to avoid the glare of debate's attention in such slithering methodology is disgusting to me and I will keep stepping on your worm-body everytime I see it manifest simply because it gives me pleasure to obliterate the gutless in the sphere of public discussion.
By all means "laugh" again. But know your master serves my purpose by keeping the important lesson of this thread well-bumped and clear in the public view. I consider the spotlight important - I believe the revolution needs the oxygen of wide debate and notice to burn as brightly as it can.
You worm, are just a little kindling for the fire. But continue by all means. It amuses me to use ideological foes for advantage while thrashing their ego to within an inch of psychological meltdown.
Until your next "laughter" ...
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy I suggest you should do your research more thoroughly, Mrs Constatine. If you really think I am hiding myself, then you simply missunderstand the Past.
Hardly, you admitted you were hiding your identity. Nine times out of ten that means you are a coward incapable of standing in the light of day. Hence you sulk in the shadows like a worm.
Quote: And finally you made it clear to the public that you are simply a CEO gone nutcrackers, Thank you, that is all I wanted.
I think you'll find you've made nothing clear beyond my utter distain for cowardly skulking creatures without the backbone or pride to stand up and be known for their name and actions.
Quote: PS: a CEO needs more manners!
Only a fool treats a worm with respect.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy 1. Where did I state that I hide my Identity? A simple Search would save you alot embarrasement 2. Read then write, my dear. I stated you made it clear not that I did that.
Take your own advise and read up. Still, can't expect such a skinless creature to have all its facts in order. And try to pace yourself a little better for the next response, the last one didn't really make much sense.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.03 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard The more things change the more they stay the same.
As it ever was. Often the meek and the cowardly find it impossible to do more than bark at their betters on the IGS. Shame in many ways, I would certainly enjoy shattering the hulls of these regressive fools - but one doesn't always get what one desires.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.10 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard Like I used to say "Killing the spiders to save the flies works in theory until one day you realize your a spider". Just remember there's a thin line between defending your beliefs and sinking to their level.
Spiders and flies are one in the same. We must rise to become more than insects is the truth of it.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.11 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth You asked to return to the topic at hand previously ms. Constantin ...
Then perhaps you should.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.13 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
And lest you thought that I forgot I still remember how Jade Constantine advocated for the continuance of patriarchy and the oppression of women in New Eden.
I think you are going to need to cite some evidence of that one ...
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Cloning technology is expensive. People live their lives, people die, people learn and unlearn. More importantly, people abuse and misuse the technology you and your fellows see as salvation. GalNet for instance. Even here the amount of actual debate and learning taking place is minimal.
Cloning technology is expensive because the powers-that-be want it to be expensive. Break their monopoly (as we have in the Star Fraction) and you'll find it can be given as a gift and friendly service to comrades-at-arms and fellow revolutionaries. There are no baseline mortals in our strike teams Nikilaiki Ruutarhara. Our special forces risk no more than a few hours of memory when they attack the infrastructure of the enemy. Whereas the anarchist tragedy of this thread is indicated in the near total loss of cultural memory amongst the Paradise colonists - I assure you there are now immortal descendants of this culture who will not be so easily expunged.
Quote: The problem is that it cannot be applied to a large population.
This is a nonsense. Where education and technical prowess is available there is no reason that anarchist principles cannot be usefully employed throughout a sizeable population.
Quote: The crux of the matter is this. The propagation of technology and information simply gives those with power - any kind of power - more venue for control if used properly. Yes, it also gives those who oppose it a venue to voice grievance, but this can also be seen as more of a "release valve" of the pressures necessary to create a critical mass that would allow for the toppling of said system. I could go into the sociological and psychological reasoning behind this, perhaps even the neurobiology of the matter. In the end, though, I realize that your view is needed in the grand scheme of things. As ineffectual as it is, it is a beautiful starting point.
Where Tatsue is deeply wrong is in her belief that she is her own revolution and solipsist NBSI self-delusion is anything other than a bitter trap. Where you are wrong is in viewing technology and information as neccessary elements of state control - we are on the verge of a technological singularity in new eden at the conflux of replication/cloning/transport science that will render the baseline notion of "the state" precisely irrelevent to the future of mankind. Our nature of humanity will change too, but we will be freed from regressive political dogma and the detritus of nation-state imperialism even as we reach for the stars with our new immortality.
I am an individual with the power and technological influence you speak of. I choose to give freely to the baseline populace of this star cluster because I want a race of peers and fellow travellers not serfs or slaves to be my companions through eternity. I consider this not regressive charity but neccessary education as an adult must provide to children if those children are to renew the culture.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.23 15:06:00 -
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You consider human passions a failing. I do not.
And you must not mistake the language when I speak of transcending the baseline. I am speaking literally, my words practical and exact. Cloning and mind-state transference are tools for avoiding death. Just as antibiotics, microsurgery and even primitive anaesthesia in their time were such tools. There is nothing innately spiritual in the transformation from mortal to immortal. We are not holy creatures to be shriven of our sins and reborn into a universe without hate or fear or revenge. And truthfully, much of the human condition is a paradox of opposites, without such dark emotions to cast the shadow how can we see the light?
Would I be capable of the extremes of love and yearning my deathless heart knows if I was not able to experience despair and feel the urgings of vengeance and retribution? I believe it is a dangerous and self destructive course when the personality unravels and this very IGS has seen many examples of wasted-wind-blown once-individuals proclaiming their transcendence beyond human thoughts and simply becoming machine-manufactured memes of clichT and ultimate predictability. This very thread has several examples in the early pages.
So no Nikilaiki Ruutarhara, I am not ashamed of the oath of vengeance I swore to a dead man. We are all immortals in human form. We are gods with the minds of men, we are part of this universe not above it and it is our destiny only to touch the future and pass what gifts we may to our culture. We are not perfect and pure and neither are our dreams. We are human, we make mistakes we act from passion and pride and all the sins of the flesh. We laugh, we cry, we drink too much and toast the infinite in celebrations and hurl our glasses to the floor. In this we are not so different to our brethren on the planets bellow.
The Star Fraction movement is not the stainless steel conformity of the mind-purged Sansha drone hives. Nor is it the mortal transcendence of self-denying spiritual cults preached by Aria Jenneth and her followers. We are not futurists in any classical sense, we don't have a grand design or programmed solution to humanity's ills. We don't have all the answers, we don't know where the road will lead.
When we talk of uplifting the baseline we mean providing access to technology that renders state control meaningless. It means providing medicine to treat the plague of mortality. It means teaching our brothers and sisters to look outward to the endless tapestry of stars and encompass ambitions in generations not heartbeats.
When we talk of liberation we mean deliverance from all constraints of physicality: circumstance and time, restriction and scope. Our project is not grand and unified it is scattered, uneven, sporadic and messy. It's the scattershot wildfire of illicit nanofactories airdropped from high atmosphere burns. its pirate code for biotech on the state holowebs. Its political theory classes spliced into transcortical control implants for internment camps. The Fraction ethos is the space movement; it's the jury-rigged transport ship heading out for the frontier with hydroponics, black cloning tech and sensor probes, one-hundred families determined to strike out on their own and do what they will.
We create chaos as much as we create freedom but even this inspires the individual as it weakens the hierarchy. We make the attempt and even as our human hands often miss the mark our immortality ensures we will keep trying until we succeed - after all, we have eternity.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.23 15:07:00 -
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You speak in closing from the suggestion that we anarchists will create the singularity. I do not see it this way. The singularity is coming be it next year or in a hundred. Its influence is there to be harnessed and utilised. Rather I view it as cosmic winds to fill the sails of freedom and carry those with the courage to embark to new places and fresh realities far out in the universe. Along the way the Star Fraction will shoot up the border guards and sabotage the state machinery denying escape to a captive population. We will win wars and lose them, but ultimately as I said: Time is on our side.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.23 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious You need to lay off the blue pills Jader.
You need to stick to spamming the standings thread. This one clearly goes right over your little 24th Crusader head.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:03:00 -
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Ilissa Ruutarhara. You will find your engagement with the discussion will go more smoothly if you dial down the sneering air of faux-superiority on your conversational emulation software.
As for the rest, we do have different understandings of what the coming technological singularity will mean to New Eden. I can see you are focused on the hypothesis of emergent super intelligence/machine-sentient evolution - that is your preference but not mine. It is possible your singularity will bring a threat to our personal freedom and individuality. But let's not declare the next war before we've fought the current one.
As for the broader points of discussion elsewhere.
It's an incorrect assumption that the Star Fraction is all about convincing people to change their minds and converting from their nationalist causes to become aspirant freespacers. Some people will not change, some are broken in mind, some are fuelled by the desire "to rule", "to dominate" to establish hierarchies and maintain the status quo above all.
We would waste our time and energy trying to persuade 24th Crusaders of the regressive nature of their cause. In these cases we influence the environment by reducing their starships to rapidly expanding wreckage clouds and suppressing and driving their corporations to exile and extinction while supporting ideological allies in their those aims calculated to further the Star Fraction agenda and the broader freespace movement.
We can persuade a farmstead to flourish by shooting the wolves. Better yet we can teach the farmers to shoot their own wolves. Only a great fool thinks to civilize the wolves through civilized debate while they are trying to eat you!
And why engage a prison camp guard in ideological debate when it is simpler and more efficient to shoot him in the face with a high velocity railgun slug in order to release a group of political prisoners far more inclined to discuss the progressive future of mankind with open hearts and questing minds? Life is full of imperfect choices - we do the best we can.
This is the mistake many Amarrian nationalists make in their various screeds and holo-pamphlets here. Why would we feel obliged to debate with them when the more direct and useful course is to annihilate them in space and open the discussion to a broader range of minds more suited to the freespace message?
Revolution is about practicality as well as idealism. It is all very well to say "I am my own revolution" - but to what end? It is not solely about inflicting sufficient harm to "peers" (enemies) to change their principles - but to remove their ability to suppress the freedoms and principles of others.
Yes of course, there are exceptions to this. Star Fraction has traditionally done very well in the persuasion of ideological foes and many of our greatest comrades and allies have come across from regressive foundations to shine as free captains. But this is not (and never should be) the whole of the ambition. New Eden is a universe of enslaved ideas and sentience beaten down by imperialist dogma. We need bullets and bombs as well as good arguments because even the villains are immortal in the sphere of posthumanity and the persistence of bad-ideas a plague of memetic proportions.
As for the question of membership strength. Star Fraction today is stronger than it has ever been in its history. Better equipped, better focused and operating in close association with ideological allies in the most vital cause for free-space radicalism in the cluster. Whereas in the past we suffered bouts of malaise and dissolution when some of our number felt the throws of NBSI-psychosis pressing on their conscience, these days we are finally free of that taint and by far the better for it.
Any power-worshipping sect of crypto-fascist hierarchs with any doubt of the Star Fraction's significant and growing capability is very welcome to test us. The Black Plan awaits!
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